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* Girls Do Not Like Pornography: While still true to some extent, women watching/reading pornography has become more common in recent times. This started with the rise in popularity of romance novels during the 80's and 90's and has continued with women today, for example, watching pornography with their boyfriends.
* Girls Do Not Like Pornography: While still true to some extent, women watching/reading pornography has become more common in recent times. This started with the rise in popularity of romance novels during the 80's and 90's and has continued with women today, for example, watching pornography with their boyfriends.


== Comic Books ==
== [[Comic Books]] ==
* In a [[Big Damn Heroes]] moment, the villain is struck from behind. He'll then turn around and ask "'''''WHO DARES?!'''''" before a head to head battle breaks out. Now it's only brought up for others to make fun of it.
* In a [[Big Damn Heroes]] moment, the villain is struck from behind. He'll then turn around and ask "'''''WHO DARES?!'''''" before a head to head battle breaks out. Now it's only brought up for others to make fun of it.
* The Thing's "It's clobberin' time!" line is ''never'' played straight anymore. Most characters say the line for him, while others (Hawkeye) insult him for not coming up with any other lines in his decades of superhero work.
* The Thing's "It's clobberin' time!" line is ''never'' played straight anymore. Most characters say the line for him, while others (Hawkeye) insult him for not coming up with any other lines in his decades of superhero work.
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* While hero designs have moved away from no/small masks (or away from secret identity entirely) jokes about the [[Clark Kenting|apparent implausibility of Superman's identity]] have fallen out of favor because [[It's Been Done]], Christopher Reeve's performance in [[Superman (film)|the films]] and the art in ''[[All-Star Superman]]'' showed it could plausibly be done and the post-[[Crisis on Infinite Earths]] stories giving and sticking to a plausible explanation: There is no actual reason to suspect the godlike alien that lives in Antarctica spends his time pretending to be a normal human.
* While hero designs have moved away from no/small masks (or away from secret identity entirely) jokes about the [[Clark Kenting|apparent implausibility of Superman's identity]] have fallen out of favor because [[It's Been Done]], Christopher Reeve's performance in [[Superman (film)|the films]] and the art in ''[[All-Star Superman]]'' showed it could plausibly be done and the post-[[Crisis on Infinite Earths]] stories giving and sticking to a plausible explanation: There is no actual reason to suspect the godlike alien that lives in Antarctica spends his time pretending to be a normal human.


== Film ==
== [[Film]] ==
* [[Award Bait Song]]: Has been slowly vanishing since its peak in [[The Nineties]]. Revised rules in the [[Academy Award]]s have also ensured that [[Trope Breaker|they're no longer award bait]].
* [[Award Bait Song]]: Has been slowly vanishing since its peak in [[The Nineties]]. Revised rules in the [[Academy Award]]s have also ensured that [[Trope Breaker|they're no longer award bait]].
* [[Disaster Movie]]s involving airplanes - since ''[[Airplane!]]'' came out, no-one could possibly take one seriously. [[United 93|Unless it was based on a true story]].
* [[Disaster Movie]]s involving airplanes - since ''[[Airplane!]]'' came out, no-one could possibly take one seriously. [[United 93|Unless it was based on a true story]].
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* Several ''[[Cracked.com]]'' articles discuss tropes deemed discredited. These include [http://www.cracked.com/article_17392_6-sci-fi-movie-conventions-that-need-to-die.html 6 Sci-Fi Movie Conventions (That Need to Die)] and [http://www.cracked.com/article_20467_5-overused-twist-endings-its-time-movies-to-retire.html 5 Overused Twist Endings It's Time For Movies to Retire].
* Several ''[[Cracked.com]]'' articles discuss tropes deemed discredited. These include [http://www.cracked.com/article_17392_6-sci-fi-movie-conventions-that-need-to-die.html 6 Sci-Fi Movie Conventions (That Need to Die)] and [http://www.cracked.com/article_20467_5-overused-twist-endings-its-time-movies-to-retire.html 5 Overused Twist Endings It's Time For Movies to Retire].


== Live Action Television ==
== [[Live-Action TV]] ==
* The line "Hi, honey, I'm home!" was a stock standard phrase in many American family sitcoms from the 1950s and 1960s. Back then it was used straight forward, but since then it has been discredited due to its corniness and unrealistic routine.
* The line "Hi, honey, I'm home!" was a stock standard phrase in many American family sitcoms from the 1950s and 1960s. Back then it was used straight forward, but since then it has been discredited due to its corniness and unrealistic routine.
** The album art for Dance Hall Crashers' "Honey, I'm Homely" parodies this, with a woman cringing in terror from a sinister looking man entering her home, bearing a bouquet of flowers.
** The album art for Dance Hall Crashers' "Honey, I'm Homely" parodies this, with a woman cringing in terror from a sinister looking man entering her home, bearing a bouquet of flowers.
** ''[[30 Rock]]'' also parodies this, when Tracy explains that he never does the same thing twice. Flashback to him doing the line "Honey, I'm home!" on the first take but then changing it with ever iteration: "Pacman, I'm Jewish! Jeffrey, we lost the tournament!""
** ''[[30 Rock]]'' also parodies this, when Tracy explains that he never does the same thing twice. Flashback to him doing the line "Honey, I'm home!" on the first take but then changing it with ever iteration: "Pacman, I'm Jewish! Jeffrey, we lost the tournament!""


== New Media ==
== [[New Media]] ==
* [[Digital Piracy Is Evil]]: Despite [[Undead Horse Trope|still lingering today]], companies have ultimately realized that the war against piracy is a [[Hopeless War|lost cause]], and have taken incentive to work around it instead. This doesn't stop media groups from pushing absurd anti-internet laws on the basis of stopping piracy (and terrorism).
* [[Digital Piracy Is Evil]]: Despite [[Undead Horse Trope|still lingering today]], companies have ultimately realized that the war against piracy is a [[Hopeless War|lost cause]], and have taken incentive to work around it instead. This doesn't stop media groups from pushing absurd anti-internet laws on the basis of stopping piracy (and terrorism).
* [[Screamer Prank|Screamers]] have received two major blows over the Internet's history. Initially, when flash movies and games were still the norm, there were no clear distinctions between screamers and legitimate pages, creating a minefield for fearful site goers; this meant less traffic for sites like FunnyJunk and WinterWorld. Later, with [[YouTube|the advent of video over flash files]], viewers were able to scroll to the end of the video to see if any suspicions were confirmed, removing all suspense and [[Trope Breaker|defeating the purpose of screamers]]. [[Evolving Trope|They have since been replaced by the trap video]], which puts the scare at the ''beginning'' of the video, and aims not to make individuals jump, but [[Troll|to cause outrage within specific audiences]]. Furthermore, they've also been overshadowed by [[Rickroll]]s as the Internet's prank of choice.
* [[Screamer Prank|Screamers]] have received two major blows over the Internet's history. Initially, when flash movies and games were still the norm, there were no clear distinctions between screamers and legitimate pages, creating a minefield for fearful site goers; this meant less traffic for sites like FunnyJunk and WinterWorld. Later, with [[YouTube|the advent of video over flash files]], viewers were able to scroll to the end of the video to see if any suspicions were confirmed, removing all suspense and [[Trope Breaker|defeating the purpose of screamers]]. [[Evolving Trope|They have since been replaced by the trap video]], which puts the scare at the ''beginning'' of the video, and aims not to make individuals jump, but [[Troll|to cause outrage within specific audiences]]. Furthermore, they've also been overshadowed by [[Rickroll]]s as the Internet's prank of choice.
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* [[There Are No Girls on the Internet]]: The online population has reflected real-world gender distributions since 2001 or so.
* [[There Are No Girls on the Internet]]: The online population has reflected real-world gender distributions since 2001 or so.


== Theatre ==
== [[Theatre]] ==
* [[That Reminds Me of a Song]]: Modern musicals, at least in theatre, are specifically ''not'' supposed to play this one straight anymore, though there's still a chance a song of this nature may end up as a [[Breakaway Pop Hit]]
* [[That Reminds Me of a Song]]: Modern musicals, at least in theatre, are specifically ''not'' supposed to play this one straight anymore, though there's still a chance a song of this nature may end up as a [[Breakaway Pop Hit]]


== [[Video Games]] ==

== Video Games ==
* [[Mascot with Attitude]]: Started with poorly made [[Follow the Leader|copycats]] of ''[[Sonic the Hedgehog]]'', the [[Trope Codifier]], and solidified by Sonic's gradual decline. Would see a resurgence in the 2010s as independent games attempted to milk 90s stylings, but never seriously.
* [[Mascot with Attitude]]: Started with poorly made [[Follow the Leader|copycats]] of ''[[Sonic the Hedgehog]]'', the [[Trope Codifier]], and solidified by Sonic's gradual decline. Would see a resurgence in the 2010s as independent games attempted to milk 90s stylings, but never seriously.
* [[Monster Closet]]: In first-person shooters. Present in shooters in mid 1990s to early 2000s but mainly replaced by offscreen or onscreen spawning.
* [[Monster Closet]]: In first-person shooters. Present in shooters in mid 1990s to early 2000s but mainly replaced by offscreen or onscreen spawning.

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Over the course of time, a trope may be overused, misused, opposed, made obsolete, subverted on many notable occasions, associated with a specific work, or just end up being widely disliked. Eventually, a trope may reach the point where it becomes one which none should dare use seriously and only belongs in parody, satire, homage or pastiche. Often, if one of these is used straight, people will assume it's a Red Herring.

In some cases, a trope may be discredited due to changes in our knowledge of history or science. Use of the trope in fiction may change to reflect this. See the Time Marches On index.

Note: Just because a trope is discredited does not necessarily mean it is not Truth in Television.

Note #2: This is not bad writing because the writing itself is bad, but because the writer doesn't know its audience. After all, Tropes Are Not Bad.

Omnipresent Tropes are immune to being discredited, mostly because those tropes are too natural to the medium of storytelling to ever be considered tired cliches. Undead Horse Trope describes tropes that have been subverted and parodied dozens of times, but aren't quite discredited.

See also Dead Horse Trope, where subversions or parodies outnumber straight use in recent works. See also Forgotten Trope, which describes tropes that aren't used in recent works at all; they may have been considered Discredited Tropes years ago, or just fell from use for other reasons.

Compare Discredited Meme.

Examples of Discredited Trope include:

General

Comic Books

  • In a Big Damn Heroes moment, the villain is struck from behind. He'll then turn around and ask "WHO DARES?!" before a head to head battle breaks out. Now it's only brought up for others to make fun of it.
  • The Thing's "It's clobberin' time!" line is never played straight anymore. Most characters say the line for him, while others (Hawkeye) insult him for not coming up with any other lines in his decades of superhero work.

Hawkeye: Oh, we're still pretending The Thing isn't annoying?
Spider-man: Ben?! He's a great guy...
Hawkeye: He needs some new material.
[...]
Thing: It's clobberin' time!
Hawkeye: Of course it is...

Film

Live-Action TV

  • The line "Hi, honey, I'm home!" was a stock standard phrase in many American family sitcoms from the 1950s and 1960s. Back then it was used straight forward, but since then it has been discredited due to its corniness and unrealistic routine.
    • The album art for Dance Hall Crashers' "Honey, I'm Homely" parodies this, with a woman cringing in terror from a sinister looking man entering her home, bearing a bouquet of flowers.
    • 30 Rock also parodies this, when Tracy explains that he never does the same thing twice. Flashback to him doing the line "Honey, I'm home!" on the first take but then changing it with ever iteration: "Pacman, I'm Jewish! Jeffrey, we lost the tournament!""

New Media

Theatre

  • That Reminds Me of a Song: Modern musicals, at least in theatre, are specifically not supposed to play this one straight anymore, though there's still a chance a song of this nature may end up as a Breakaway Pop Hit

Video Games

  • Mascot with Attitude: Started with poorly made copycats of Sonic the Hedgehog, the Trope Codifier, and solidified by Sonic's gradual decline. Would see a resurgence in the 2010s as independent games attempted to milk 90s stylings, but never seriously.
  • Monster Closet: In first-person shooters. Present in shooters in mid 1990s to early 2000s but mainly replaced by offscreen or onscreen spawning.
  • One Bullet At a Time: Subjective; was originally a technical limitation, but can still be enforced for gameplay reasons (i.e. prevent some forms of Spam Attack).
  • Random Encounters: A chance of encountering an enemy every step is a remnant of technical limitations of video games and its tabletop origins, they're more and more replaced by other methods to engage a fight. Encounters that are randomly spawned into the world (but are visible) remain common.
    • Some games made in RPG Maker play with this trope, by having the "Random Encounters" actually be regular encounters, but with the wandering monsters being invisible.
    • Tabletop Games still use random encounters fairly frequently, where they're just a trope used in some games where they fit the flavor better.
  • Real Is Brown: Discredited due to rampant mockery and the rise of Orange-Blue Contrast.
  • Video Games Are For Nerds: This was gradually becoming discredited when the Playstation 1 was released. By the time the PlayStation 2 became popular, it was pretty much dead. Yet, many gamers (probably as a symbol of pride) still seem to hang on to it.
    • While still common enough the target seems to have moved a bit with the nerds now only being obsessive or interested in a particular genre (e.g. MMORPGs) or niche (e.g. Japanese dating sims). On the other side there has also been a rise in Video Games are For Frat Boys, again, depending heavily on the games being depicted (FPSs and sports games seem to be the most common) and their attitude towards them.

Western Animation

  • "I Want" Song: This became discredited for a while after Disney and its competitors milked the Broadway musical cartoon formula for all it was worth—the makers of Toy Story even intentionally avoided this, in order to distinguish it from those films. That said, there's enough nostalgia left for it now to allow it to return in recent films like The Princess and the Frog, but it's nowhere near as prevalent as it was in the past.
  • Ridiculously Cute Critter: At least in Western Animation, ever since Disney and its imitators ran the trope into the ground during the Golden Age. Still played straight in Japan to this day, though.
    • This trope is not as discredited in Western Animation these days as it was in Golden Age western animation though.
  • Not entirely discredited, but at least diminished since the 1990s are the fastpaced "cartoony" cartoons with gimmicky sound effects, weird body transformations and chase scenes. A lot of cartoons nowadays have more realistic action on the pace of The Simpsons, which resembles live-action TV more closely.
  1. As of Feb. 16, 2012, Japan's debt-to-GDP ratio is 235% and growing. The US is at 98%, while Greece is currently at 159%. Furthermore, Japan has been experiencing deflation for most of the past 15 years. To make matters worse, the population is aging fast, meaning there are fewer in the workforce able to support retiree programs.