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[[Tropes Are Not Bad]]. But some tropes haven't aged well.
[[Tropes Are Not Bad]]. But some tropes haven't aged well.


Over the course of time, a trope may be overused, misused, opposed, [[Trope Breaker|made obsolete]], [[Subverted Trope|subverted]] on many notable occasions, or just end up being [[Pet Peeve Trope|widely disliked]]. Eventually, a trope may reach the point where it becomes one which none should dare use ''seriously'' and only belongs in parody, satire, homage or pastiche. Often, if one of these is used straight, [[The Untwist|people will assume]] it's a [[Red Herring]].
Over the course of time, a trope may be overused, misused, opposed, [[Trope Breaker|made obsolete]], [[Subverted Trope|subverted]] on many notable occasions, or just end up being [[Pet Peeve Trope|widely disliked]]. Eventually, a trope may reach the point where it becomes one which none should dare use ''seriously'' and only belongs in parody, satire, homage or pastiche. Often, if one of these is used straight, [[The Untwist|people will assume]] it's a [[Red Herring]].
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== General ==
== General ==
* [[Air Vent Passageway]]: [[Tropes Examined by the Mythbusters|Busted.]]
* [[Air Vent Passageway]]: [[Tropes Examined by the Mythbusters|Busted.]]
* [[All Just a Dream]]: Too often abused as a [[Deus Ex Machina]] / [[Stock Epileptic Trees]].
* [[All Just a Dream]]: Too often abused as a [[Deus Ex Machina]] / [[Stock Epileptic Trees]].
* [[Ambiguously Gay]]: Except in children's media.
* [[Ambiguously Gay]]: Except in children's media.
* [[Beautiful All Along]]: Because it gives the [[Unfortunate Implications|unfortunate implication]] that you have to change yourself to be happy.
* [[Beautiful All Along]]: Because it gives the [[Unfortunate Implications|unfortunate implication]] that you have to change yourself to be happy.
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* [[Cut and Paste Note]]: In modern fiction, due to the prevalence of more convenient and harder to trace forms of anonymous communication. If used in any sort of forensic drama, you can bet the [[CSI|CSIs]] will admonish the culprit as an amateur and get damning evidence off the note.
* [[Cut and Paste Note]]: In modern fiction, due to the prevalence of more convenient and harder to trace forms of anonymous communication. If used in any sort of forensic drama, you can bet the [[CSI|CSIs]] will admonish the culprit as an amateur and get damning evidence off the note.
* [[Cut Phone Lines]]: Largely discredited in any story set after the widespread adoption of cell/mobile phones.
* [[Cut Phone Lines]]: Largely discredited in any story set after the widespread adoption of cell/mobile phones.
** This has caused the trope to [[Can You Hear Me Now|generally morph in various ways]]: the area has no reception, dead/missing battery, interference due to solar flares, etc.
** This has caused the trope to [[Can You Hear Me Now?|generally morph in various ways]]: the area has no reception, dead/missing battery, interference due to solar flares, etc.
* [[Dead Pet Sketch]]
* [[Dead Pet Sketch]]
* [[Declarative Finger]]: Often used by the authors to imply that the character doing so is just trying to come across as profound, which in turn is used to imply that the character is actually saying something NON-profound.
* [[Declarative Finger]]: Often used by the authors to imply that the character doing so is just trying to come across as profound, which in turn is used to imply that the character is actually saying something NON-profound.
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* [[Small Annoying Creature]]
* [[Small Annoying Creature]]
* [[Standard Hero Reward]]
* [[Standard Hero Reward]]
* [[Standing in the Hall]]: Parodied in some Japanese works still; but not used in [[Real Life]] as much. In western countries, similar variants aren't used due to kids taking it as an opportunity to wander around the halls.
* [[Standing in the Hall]]: Parodied in some Japanese works still; but not used in [[Real Life]] as much. In western countries, similar variants aren't used due to kids taking it as an opportunity to wander around the halls.
* [[So Beautiful It's a Curse]]: A guaranteed way to lose the audience's sympathy, so seldom used in serious works, anyway. Some fanfic authors still use it straight; skilled writers may employ it [[They Plotted a Perfectly Good Waste|to achieve a certain effect]].
* [[So Beautiful It's a Curse]]: A guaranteed way to lose the audience's sympathy, so seldom used in serious works, anyway. Some fanfic authors still use it straight; skilled writers may employ it [[They Plotted a Perfectly Good Waste|to achieve a certain effect]].
** Note that this really only applies to characters who [[Wangst]] about how people don't take them seriously because of their beauty. Characters who are victimized by sexual harassment or stalkers because of their beauty are still much more sympathetic.
** Note that this really only applies to characters who [[Wangst]] about how people don't take them seriously because of their beauty. Characters who are victimized by sexual harassment or stalkers because of their beauty are still much more sympathetic.
* [[Some of My Best Friends Are X]]
* [[Some of My Best Friends Are X]]
* Old magic tricks like the [[Disappearing Box]] and [[Saw a Woman In Half]] are best not done in their straight form these days, as everyone's [[Seen It a Million Times|seen them dozens of times]] and probably knows how those tricks are done.
* Old magic tricks like the [[Disappearing Box]] and [[Saw a Woman In Half]] are best not done in their straight form these days, as everyone's [[Seen It a Million Times|seen them dozens of times]] and probably knows how those tricks are done.
* In modern chase scenes the [[Fruit Cart]], [[Sheet of Glass]], and [[Baby Carriage]] are only included with at least a wink -- for serious chases [[Red Shirt|something else that will go splat]] is used.
* In modern chase scenes the [[Fruit Cart]], [[Sheet of Glass]], and [[Baby Carriage]] are only included with at least a wink -- for serious chases [[Red Shirt|something else that will go splat]] is used.
* Girls Do Not Like Pornography: While still true to some extent, women watching/reading pornography has become more common in recent times. This started with the rise in popularity of romance novels during the 80's and 90's and has continued with women today, for example, watching pornography with their boyfriends.
* Girls Do Not Like Pornography: While still true to some extent, women watching/reading pornography has become more common in recent times. This started with the rise in popularity of romance novels during the 80's and 90's and has continued with women today, for example, watching pornography with their boyfriends.


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* [[Real Is Brown]]: Rapidly becoming discredited thanks to games like ''[[Diablo]] 3'' and ''[[Uncharted]]''.
* [[Real Is Brown]]: Rapidly becoming discredited thanks to games like ''[[Diablo]] 3'' and ''[[Uncharted]]''.
* Video Games Are For Nerds: This was gradually becoming discredited when the Playstation 1 was released. By the time the [[PlayStation 2]] became popular, it was pretty much dead. Yet, many gamers (probably as a symbol of pride) still seem to hang on to it.
* Video Games Are For Nerds: This was gradually becoming discredited when the Playstation 1 was released. By the time the [[PlayStation 2]] became popular, it was pretty much dead. Yet, many gamers (probably as a symbol of pride) still seem to hang on to it.
** While still common enough the target seems to have moved a bit with the nerds now only being obsessive or interested in a particular genre (e.g. MMORPGs) or niche (e.g. Japanese dating sims). On the other side there has also been a rise in Video Games are For Frat Boys, again, depending heavily on the games being depicted (FPSs and sports games seem to be the most common) and their attitude towards them.
** While still common enough the target seems to have moved a bit with the nerds now only being obsessive or interested in a particular genre (e.g. MMORPGs) or niche (e.g. Japanese dating sims). On the other side there has also been a rise in Video Games are For Frat Boys, again, depending heavily on the games being depicted (FPSs and sports games seem to be the most common) and their attitude towards them.




== [[Western Animation]] ==
== [[Western Animation]] ==
* [["I Want" Song]]: This became discredited for a while after Disney and its competitors milked the Broadway musical cartoon formula for all it was worth -- the makers of [[Toy Story]] even intentionally avoided this, in order to distinguish it from those films. That said, there's enough nostalgia left for it now to allow it to return in recent films like [[The Princess and the Frog]], but it's nowhere near as prevalent as it was in the past.
* [["I Want" Song]]: This became discredited for a while after Disney and its competitors milked the Broadway musical cartoon formula for all it was worth -- the makers of [[Toy Story]] even intentionally avoided this, in order to distinguish it from those films. That said, there's enough nostalgia left for it now to allow it to return in recent films like [[The Princess and the Frog]], but it's nowhere near as prevalent as it was in the past.
* [[Ridiculously Cute Critter]]: At least in [[Western Animation]], ever since Disney and its imitators ran the trope into the ground during the [[The Golden Age of Animation|Golden Age]]. Still played straight in Japan to this day, though.
* [[Ridiculously Cute Critter]]: At least in [[Western Animation]], ever since Disney and its imitators ran the trope into the ground during the [[The Golden Age of Animation|Golden Age]]. Still played straight in Japan to this day, though.
** This trope is not as discredited in [[Western Animation]] these days as it was in Golden Age western animation though.
** This trope is not as discredited in [[Western Animation]] these days as it was in Golden Age western animation though.
* Not entirely discredited, but at least [[Animation Age Ghetto|diminished]] since the 1990s are the fastpaced "cartoony" cartoons with gimmicky sound effects, weird body transformations and chase scenes. [[Follow the Leader|A lot of cartoons nowadays have more realistic action on the pace of TheSimpsons,]] which resembles live-action TV more closely.
* Not entirely discredited, but at least [[Animation Age Ghetto|diminished]] since the 1990s are the fastpaced "cartoony" cartoons with gimmicky sound effects, weird body transformations and chase scenes. [[Follow the Leader|A lot of cartoons nowadays have more realistic action on the pace of TheSimpsons,]] which resembles live-action TV more closely.

Revision as of 04:35, 29 December 2014

Tropes Are Not Bad. But some tropes haven't aged well.

Over the course of time, a trope may be overused, misused, opposed, made obsolete, subverted on many notable occasions, or just end up being widely disliked. Eventually, a trope may reach the point where it becomes one which none should dare use seriously and only belongs in parody, satire, homage or pastiche. Often, if one of these is used straight, people will assume it's a Red Herring.

In some cases, a trope may be discredited due to changes in our knowledge of history or science. Use of the trope in fiction may change to reflect this. See the Time Marches On index.

Note: Just because a trope is discredited does not necessarily mean it is not Truth in Television.

Note #2: This is not bad writing because the writing itself is bad, but because the writer doesn't know its audience. After all, Tropes Are Not Bad.

Omnipresent Tropes are immune to being discredited, mostly because those tropes are too natural to the medium of storytelling to ever be considered tired cliches. Undead Horse Trope describes tropes that have been subverted and parodied dozens of times, but aren't quite discredited.

See also Dead Horse Trope, where subversions or parodies outnumber straight use in recent works. See also Forgotten Trope, which describes tropes that aren't used in recent works at all; they may have been considered Discredited Tropes years ago, or just fell from use for other reasons.

Compare Discredited Meme.

Examples of Discredited Trope include:

General


Comics

  • In a Big Damn Heroes moment, the villain is struck from behind. He'll then turn around and ask "WHO DARES?!" before a head to head battle breaks out. Now it's only brought up for others to make fun of it.
  • The Thing's "It's clobberin' time!" line is never played straight anymore. Most characters say the line for him, while others (Hawkeye) insult him for not coming up with any other lines in his decades of superhero work.

Hawkeye: Oh, we're still pretending The Thing isn't annoying?
Spider-man: Ben?! He's a great guy...
Hawkeye: He needs some new material.
[...]
Thing: It's clobberin' time!
Hawkeye: Of course it is...


Film

Literature

  • Said Bookism: In these days, it's often considered redundant.


Live Action Television

  • The line "Hi, honey, I'm home!" was a stock standard phrase in many American family sitcoms from the 1950s and 1960s. Back then it was used straight forward, but since then it has been discredited due to its corniness and unrealistic routine.
    • The album art for Dance Hall Crashers' "Honey, I'm Homely" parodies this, with a woman cringing in terror from a sinister looking man entering her home, bearing a bouquet of flowers.
    • 30 Rock also parodies this, when Tracy explains that he never does the same thing twice. Flashback to him doing the line "Honey, I'm home!" on the first take but then changing it with ever iteration: "Pacman, I'm Jewish! Jeffrey, we lost the tournament!""

New Media


Theatre

  • That Reminds Me of a Song: Modern musicals, at least in theatre, are specifically not supposed to play this one straight anymore, though there's still a chance a song of this nature may end up as a Breakaway Pop Hit


Video Games

  • Mascot with Attitude: Started with poorly made copycats of Sonic the Hedgehog, the Trope Codifier, and solidified by Sonic's gradual decline.
  • Monster Closet: In first-person shooters. Present in shooters in mid 1990s to early 2000s but mainly replaced by offscreen or onscreen spawning.
  • One Bullet At a Time: Subjective; was originally a technical limitation, but can still be enforced for gameplay reasons (i.e. prevent some forms of Spam Attack).
  • Random Encounters: As a remnant of technical limitations of video games and its tabletop origins, they're lately replaced by other methods to engage a fight.
    • Some games made in RPG Maker play with this trope, by having the "Random Encounters" actually be regular encounters, but with the wandering monsters being invisible.
    • Tabletop Games still use random encounters fairly frequently, where they're just a trope used in some games where they fit the flavor better. Additionally, some pretty big games such as Fallout 3, many MMOs, any dungeon-crawler patterning itself after Diablo, and most of the JRPG genre still use these types encounters. This may be an Undead Horse Trope instead.
  • Real Is Brown: Rapidly becoming discredited thanks to games like Diablo 3 and Uncharted.
  • Video Games Are For Nerds: This was gradually becoming discredited when the Playstation 1 was released. By the time the PlayStation 2 became popular, it was pretty much dead. Yet, many gamers (probably as a symbol of pride) still seem to hang on to it.
    • While still common enough the target seems to have moved a bit with the nerds now only being obsessive or interested in a particular genre (e.g. MMORPGs) or niche (e.g. Japanese dating sims). On the other side there has also been a rise in Video Games are For Frat Boys, again, depending heavily on the games being depicted (FPSs and sports games seem to be the most common) and their attitude towards them.


Western Animation

  • "I Want" Song: This became discredited for a while after Disney and its competitors milked the Broadway musical cartoon formula for all it was worth -- the makers of Toy Story even intentionally avoided this, in order to distinguish it from those films. That said, there's enough nostalgia left for it now to allow it to return in recent films like The Princess and the Frog, but it's nowhere near as prevalent as it was in the past.
  • Ridiculously Cute Critter: At least in Western Animation, ever since Disney and its imitators ran the trope into the ground during the Golden Age. Still played straight in Japan to this day, though.
    • This trope is not as discredited in Western Animation these days as it was in Golden Age western animation though.
  • Not entirely discredited, but at least diminished since the 1990s are the fastpaced "cartoony" cartoons with gimmicky sound effects, weird body transformations and chase scenes. A lot of cartoons nowadays have more realistic action on the pace of TheSimpsons, which resembles live-action TV more closely.
  1. As of Feb. 16, 2012, Japan's debt-to-GDP ratio is 235% and growing. The US is at 98%, while Greece is currently at 159%. Furthermore, Japan has been experiencing deflation for most of the past 15 years. To make matters worse, the population is aging fast, meaning there are fewer in the workforce able to support retiree programs.